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BenUdkow
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 Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: Online backup |
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Anyone here use online backup? Stan is a Facebook fan of Backblaze (https://www.backblaze.com), so I checked 'em out. They look pretty cool actually. Very simple, automatic backups of unlimited space for $5/month. They do up to four weeks of versioning, so when I delete something and don't notice it until a week later, I'm still covered.
This is NOT a file storage/sharing site like (I think) Live.com is. It's pure backup and restore (either via zip (free), DVD or USB drive (not for free).
Anyone else use anything that seems better?
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kalieaire
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yeah, something like that works for me because I have direct access to the fiber ring. most people here might not have that luxury.
I can upload at 100 megabits easy, so i can transfer about 900 gigs up or down a day.
If you're on something like a 768kbit upload connection, online backup might not be so beneficial.
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Ohh, this is rerally interesting, I'm also in the market for a personal offsite backup, but like Stan said, the biggest problem is the transfer times. I wonder if they would allow direct seeding by visiitng their location and doing the initial upload there. Heck I'd be willing to pay up to $50 bucks for this service.
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Yeah I was looking at backblaze too, wish they allowed backups of network shares though.
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| I've used carbonite for a long time. The one thing you have to factor in is that uploads take forever. It might take you weeks to backup everything the first time. |
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BenUdkow
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| carchibald wrote: | | I've used carbonite for a long time. The one thing you have to factor in is that uploads take forever. It might take you weeks to backup everything the first time. |
I just switched over from Blazeback to Carbonite. Cabonite is MUCH better in that it's an inclusive model vs Blazeback's exclusive model. I JUST want to backup my pictures and LR database, everything else can burn in hell. 
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Why not just buy one of the Backblaze units? It's only $8k for 67TB - about the same as one year's worth of gear lust 
Of course, there's the noise and heat to ponder, not to mention the lack of offsite backup. All of that could be solved with a gullible relative with a fat in-bound pipe 
In all seriousness, how about Amazon S3? They offer a bulk import @ $80 plus $2.49/hr.
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BenUdkow
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Carbonite is $54/year for unlimited storage. Backblaze is $50/year for unlimited storage.
Today, S3 is $25/MONTH (that's $300/YEAR) excluding the initial upload ($17) without any backup downloads. Total rip off.
Honestly, why would anyone use S3 when there are a ton of unlimited plans out there for <$5/month?
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I agree with Ben, S3 is not for home users. However its definately a good option for companies because they provide excellent web service API to integrate it into your application...
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| BenUdkow wrote: | Carbonite is $54/year for unlimited storage. Backblaze is $50/year for unlimited storage.
Today, S3 is $25/MONTH (that's $300/YEAR) excluding the initial upload ($17) without any backup downloads. Total rip off.
Honestly, why would anyone use S3 when there are a ton of unlimited plans out there for <$5/month? |
Sure, the price comparison is certainly not in S3's favor. It really all depends on your level of paranoia.
Backblaze appears to be hosted out of a single data center in SF. You know, the one that went down hard not that long ago thanks to a backhoe. It took out Craisglist, Technorati, Six Apart, Yelp, TypePad, LiveJournal, Vox, and so on... I'm sure they've improved tremendously since then, but it may still remain a single point of failure.
At any rate, if cost is the primary motivator, then why not just get the $40/yr plan from Smugmug? Unlimited storage, unlimited bandwidth, yet backed by S3 - and to boot, you can share those backed up photos through a decent UI. I'm not quite sure about that unlimited bandwidth, though, last time I clocked it I was able to only get about 2 Mbps coming from a corp LAN that I clocked at the same time having well in excess of 10 Mbps.
Figuring in TCO using just about any one of these services may actually be a lot cheaper than running your own local NAS: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007624.html
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Tapani
Regarding data center failure, at work last weekend, one of the water pipes busted in one of the unoccupied units and flooded our entire level. We were the only occupants in the entire level, and our server room got flooded.
[BTW, it wasn't our server room, my dinky startup has 3 cubes loaned by our host whose server room got flooded].
Kicker - the office which flooded used to host Exodus' data center in the good old days . We are one pipe away from failure of the internets . [Or that one idiot driver who backed into a transformer and killed Rackspace and a lot of the web2.0 sites].
But I am intrigued by Carbonite and Backblaze from a pure cost perspective. I have been uploading my original JPGs to my hosting provider as backup, but it takes forever that I haven't attempted NEFs yet and I am sure the network bottleneck so far is at their end.
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| BenUdkow wrote: | | carchibald wrote: | | I've used carbonite for a long time. The one thing you have to factor in is that uploads take forever. It might take you weeks to backup everything the first time. |
I just switched over from Blazeback to Carbonite. Cabonite is MUCH better in that it's an inclusive model vs Blazeback's exclusive model. I JUST want to backup my pictures and LR database, everything else can burn in hell. |
What do you mean by inclusive vs exclusive?
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Oh forgot to tell you guys. The way I copy my JPGS over to my hosting provider is by subversion . My JPG photos are in a svn repository and I add / check in periodically and get version control as well.
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| obelix wrote: | | BenUdkow wrote: | | carchibald wrote: | | I've used carbonite for a long time. The one thing you have to factor in is that uploads take forever. It might take you weeks to backup everything the first time. |
I just switched over from Blazeback to Carbonite. Cabonite is MUCH better in that it's an inclusive model vs Blazeback's exclusive model. I JUST want to backup my pictures and LR database, everything else can burn in hell. |
What do you mean by inclusive vs exclusive? |
Blazeback backs up EVERYTHING except what you specifically exclude.
Carbonie backs up ONLY what you specifically include (though it does your My Documents and Desktop by default).
BTW, I've got 25Gigs uploaded and 142Gigs left.
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